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F1b Goldendoodle: A 2nd Generation Doodle

If you are looking for a Goldendoodle puppy there is a good chance that you are going to see advertisements for either an F1B Goldendoodle or an F1 Goldendoodle.

You might be wondering what F1 and F1b mean and if they are important to know. Join us as we go over what an F1B Golden doodle is and how it compares to the F1 Golden doodle.

We will also discuss which option might be better for you. Plus some items you need to watch out for when selecting a Goldendoodle puppy.

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F1b Goldendoodle

Goldendoodle Basics

If you are looking for a Goldendoodle you probably know that they are a cross between a Golden Retriever and a Poodle. Goldendoodles have become a family favorite, due to their great temperament and adorable fluffy looks.

After all, don’t we all want a living teddy bear to cuddle and play with? On top of the looks, Goldendoodles are great with kids. Plus they have lots of energy to keep up with an active family.

Oh, let’s not forget that they shed less than a purebred Golden Retriever and are more allergy friendly too.

Did I mention that Goldendoodles also come in a few different sizes including the standard Goldendoodle, the mini goldendoodle, and micro mini Goldendoodle. Although not widely advertised you can also find a small standard or medium Goldendoodle. With all these sizes it’s hard not to find a goldendoodle that fits perfectly into any family life.

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Unknown generation goldendoodle

Goldendoodle options

Goldendoodle come with a lot of options. First you need to decide on which generation will be the best for you. Then you need to pick what size you want. Lastly did you know there are different types of Goldens that are used to breed a Goldendoodle?

We will explain each of these options throughout the post, but for now let’s start with the Goldendoodle generations.

1. Goldendoodle Generations

Goldendoodle come in a few different generations. The most common ones are the F1 Golden doodle, F1b Golden doodle, and multi-generation Golden doodle, but there is also the F2 Golden doodle, and F2B Golden doodle.

Each of these generations has pros and cons. There is no one perfect Goldendoodle for everyone.

The purpose of the generation codes (F1, F1b, F2, F2b etc.) was to come up with an easy way to tell buyers how their golden doodle puppy was bred.

Or another way to put it, the generation codes tell a buyer the approximate percentage of Poodle vs Golden Retriever in the pups.

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Golden Retriever Puppy – smooth face -no furnishings

Why is this important?

Most buyers are looking for specific traits in a Goldendoodle. Some want a dog that is low shedding, others are looking for a more allergy friendly pup and still others are looking for a fluffy, teddy bear like pup that will make an excellent service dog.

The different generations will come with varying degrees of these desired traits.

It’s important to note that genes influence both a dog’s looks, temperament and health. The Golden and the Poodle have different temperaments and looks. As you mix the two you will get a blend of both, based on what genes are passed down.

Genes can also influence a dog’s lifespan. Since poodles live longer than goldens on average the mix of poodle and golden genes will affect the Goldendoodle’s lifespan.

F1B Goldendoodle Generation Chart

Goldendoodle Generations Explained

So we already mentioned that the codes used for the doodle generations help to tell us the genetic makeup of each doodle. Let’s go into more detail about what that means for each generation code.

F1 Goldendoodle

The F in F1 states for filial. Filial denotes the generation or generations after the parental generation. So the F1 Goldendoodle is a first generation Goldendoodle, meaning it is the first time the two purebreds are crossed. A first generation Goldendoodle is 50% Golden Retriever and 50% Poodle.

F1 Goldendoodle Looks

The F1 Goldendoodle will have a mix of Poodle and Golden traits. For example; some of the puppies will have a straight coat, some a wavy coat and still others a curlier coat. Unlike Labradoodles all Goldendoodles will have a long coat because both the Poodle and Golden carry the two recessive genes necessary for long coat

All F1 Goldendoodles should also have furnishings, this is what the longer facial hair, including eyebrows, mustache and beard on the poodle nose is called. Furnishing are a dominate trait so even though F1 Goldendoodles only carry one furnishing gene, it should still be present in the puppies. Though it may not appear as fluffy if the dog has straight hair.

Most people looking for a doodle are also looking for their low shedding qualities. The F1 Goldendoodle will shed, but much less than a Golden. Due to the long wavy hair they will need regular brushing and haircuts to keep their long coats from matting. Both of these necessary tasks will also keep the shedding to a minimum since you will brush out the loose hair before it hits the floor.

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F1 Goldendoodle Personality

The F1 Goldendoodle will also have a blend of the two breeds’ personalities. Since both breeds come from hunting backgrounds, all the puppies will be energetic and playful. The Golden is known for keeping their puppy-like personality long into their adult years. Plus Poodles are considered to be class clowns.

Where the two personalities differ is in their comfort with strangers. Goldendoodles are very friendly to everyone, where poodles tend to be more standoffish to new people. Poodles also come off as reserved, where a Golden’s smiling face welcomes everyone they meet.

Both dogs are highly intelligent and people pleasers making them easy to train and good for first time owners. Just make sure you have the ability to meet their exercise and social needs, otherwise like most dogs they will find a way to entertain themselves. This often turns out not to be a good thing.

Because the F1 Goldendoodle is a true mix of the two breeds what they look like and their personalities will be a bit of a surprise. If you like surprises they are the perfect choice.

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F1B Goldendoodle

The F1b Goldendoodle is a second generation doodle. The b in F1B stands for crossing back to one of the parent breeders. The most common cross-back is with a poodle. So an F1b doodle would be approximately 75% poodle and 25% golden doodle. I say approximately because there is no way of knowing which genes the F1 Goldendoodle passed down to the offspring until they are born.

The reason most F1B Doodles are cross-backs to a poodle is because breeders and buyers want a non-shedding dog. Poodles carry the furnishing gene which not only controls the facial hair but is also associated with non shedding. The hope is that the offspring will inherit two furnishing genes (one from each parent) that will keep the shedding to a minimum.

But that is not always the case. The F1B puppy can inherit either two furnishing genes or only one furnishing gene from the poodle and one improper coat gene from the Golden. An improper coat on a dog is characterized by short hair on the head, face and legs.

Again since the furnishing gene is dominant the puppies will have long hair on their face but will shed more than a dog with two furnished genes.

In some cases a breeder will use a Golden as the cross back. This is done when the breeder feels the pups have taken on too much of the Poodle’s looks and personality. Before you put a deposit down on a puppy make sure to ask which purebred was used for the cross-back.

F1b Goldendoodle Looks

If the F1b Golden doodle was bred using a poodle, they will have a curlier coat and the teddy bear looks. Depending on how much of the Poodle’s genes they inherited an F1b can have a coat that is very curly.

F1b doodles will shed less than an F1 doodle if they inherited the furnishing genes (currently believed to control shedding) from both parents. But remember since there are still Golden genes in the F1 there is a chance that they will only inherit one furnishing gene instead of two.

If the F1b Goldendoodle was bred using a Golden Retriever, the pups will have a straighter coat. They may also inherit an improper coat from the Goldendoodle, meaning they will not have the long facial hair, mustache and eyebrows commonly associated with the doodle.

But if you love Goldens, (and there is much to love about them) but want a dog that sheds less than your typically golden (which is a lot) than an F1b crossed with a golden is the best option.

F1b Goldendoodle Personality

Again if the F1b Golden doodle was bred using a poodle, they will take on more of the poodle’s personality. This may include a higher energy level and a less than friendly attitude towards strangers.

But remember that although temperament is inherited, it is also influenced by their environment and how they are socialized as a puppy. A poodle can be taught to trust people if they have mainly good experience around new people.

If the F1b Golden doodle was bred using a Golden Retriever they will retain more of the Golden’s happy, laid back demeanor. Though they will still need a lot of socialization to keep them happy.

Curly Goldendoodle puppy in blue blanket
Goldendoodle puppy with curly hair

F1B Golden doodle Health

You will often hear the term Hybrid Vigor when it comes to goldendoodles and other poodle mix dogs. The common belief is that mixed breed dogs are healthier than purebreds. While this is true there is a difference between a Goldendoodle and a mixed breed dog, commonly referred to as a Mutt.

Purebred vs Mutts

Mutts and purebred dogs are on the opposite side of the spectrum. Mutts are a mix of multiple dog breeds, but purebreds come from closed gene pools. Meaning that purebreds can trace their heritage back to a few ancestors. This is how they are able to have a set look and temperament.

But having a closed gene pool also means the possibility of inheriting health issues that are related to that breed. When you mix two unrelated dogs, like two different purebreds you are lessening the chance of a recessive health issue becoming an issue.

However there is a problem with this logic when it comes to designer dogs that are only two breeds. In the case of the Goldendoodle, Poodles and Goldens share some of the same health issues, like Hip Dysplasia, Eye Disease and Degenerative Myelopathy. So in these cases being a mix of two pure-breeds does not lessen the chance of the dog inheriting one of these conditions.

But there are other health conditions that only affect one of the breeds and not other. In these cases the F1 Goldendoodle will have less of a chance of be affected by the condition. Since the F1b Golden doodle is a cross between an F1 and purebred they will have an elevated risk of the diseases that affect the purebred that was used for the cross-back.

How to find a Healthy Goldendoodle?

Your best option to getting a healthy Goldendoodle is to buy from a reputable breeder that does all the necessary health checks regardless of which Goldendoodle generation they are.

Another option to getting a goldendoodle is to find one at a Goldendoodle rescue. While these dogs may not be health tested, adoption fees are also less than $800 in most cases.

2. F1b Goldendoodle sizes

As I mentioned above all generations of Goldendoodle come in different sizes. Within each size range (see chart below) there is also variation in size based on the generation of doodle you select.

If you are looking for a standard sized Doodle there is not much of a size difference between the F1 or the F1b. But if you are interested in getting a mini or micro there is a large size difference between the F1 and the F1b.

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F1 Mini Goldendoodle – When you pair a full sized Golden and a mini Poodle you can end up with a large dog or a small one. You can also end up with a dog that does not have the shape of either breed. It is common to see smaller doodles with long bodies and short legs. This is due to the different genes inherited from the parent dogs.

So if you want a mini Golden doodle an F1b is a better choice because it gives the breeder a chance to breed down the size of the mini Goldendoodle puppies over two generations.

3. There more than one type of F1B Golden doodle

When looking for a Goldendoodle you may come across three variations of Golden Doodles; the American, the English, and the Australian Goldendoodle.

American Goldendoodle

The American Goldendoodle is the most common of the three variations. It is a mix between the American Golden Retriever and any colored Poodle. American Goldendoodle can come in any shade of cream, apricot (sometimes referred to as golden) or red. Although the most popular shades of the American Goldendoodles are red or golden, they can take on the coloring of the Poodle too. You can even find a black Goldendoodle.

Field vs Show Golden Retrievers

Within the American Goldens there is also a field Golden and a show Golden. The field golden is bred to hunt in the fields. They will have a smaller frame that allows them to jump and run. A show golden will have a stockier head and frame. They tend to have longer hair too.

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Goldendoodle English Cream

English Goldendoodle

Cream or white colored Goldendoodles are sometimes called English Cream Goldendoodles. Breeders will describe the Golden Retriever used in breeding as an English Golden Retriever.

English Golden Retrievers have white or cream colored fur and may come from England. Goldens from England are often hailed as being healthier than American Golden Retrievers.

However, according to the Kennel Club in England there is only one Golden Retriever which hails from the Scottish highlands. All Golden Retrievers whether American or English come from this line regardless of the color. American Goldens can also be cream colored.

If you are looking for a cream or almost white Goldendoodle then looking for an English Goldendoodle might be helpful. But you may pay more for a dog that has this name.

Australian Goldendoodle

The Australian Goldendoodle is a little different from the English and American Goldendoodles. Instead of crossing a Golden Retriever with a Poodle, Australian Goldendoodles are a mix between an English Golden doodle and an Australian Labradoodle.

They can also be a mix between an English Cream Golden Retriever and an Australian Labradoodle.

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Benefits of an F1B Goldendoodle

There are some benefits of the F1b over the F1 which includes:

  1. The F1B if crossed with a poodle will have a better chance of inheriting the desired wavy to curly coat.
  2. There is also a better chance that they will shed less than an F1 Goldendoodle.
  3. F1b are considered hypoallergenic because they shed less than a Golden Retriever.
  4. If you are looking for a mini golden doodle an F1b is a better choice since they can be bred down over two generations.
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Does the Goldendoodle Generations matter?

At the start of the doodle craze the only way to predict what a doodle may look like is by their doodle generation. But this was far from an exact science. Now DNA research provides information on how coat genes affect the “look” and how much a Goldendoodle will shed.

The F1b Goldendoodle does have an advantage over the F1 when it comes to shedding and the teddy bear looks, but a multi-generation doodle that is tested for desirable genes may be a better choice.

F1B Goldendoodle Resources

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